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politico's jonathan martin, who broke the story, joins our discussion. brian williams takes the primetime plunge with a new magazine show. >> as we begin a new broadcast in this studio that has already housed a hot of television history over the years. and tonight we hoped to a another chapter. >> can rock center build a brand to rival "60 minutes"? plus kirby kardashian's lightning round marriage. why won't the media just admit they were had? i'm howard kurtz, and this is "reliable sources." for the reporters at politico, last sunday morning was a chance to ask herman cain abo...

Mrs. cain. there are rules to how this is handled and the coverup as we have learned is always worse or usually worse than the crime. >> and one competitor on the campaign trail called this a witch hunt. is this? >> no, all politico did was report something that's actually happened. they didn't accuse him of anything. this is what happened. >> he accused something and first they did complete denial, sunday night and then it was yeah, it happened i don't know anything about payments then yeah, i know payments and i don't know how much. then i know how much and one personal. then it was two peop...

Crowd doesn't really engage. when herman cain hit the stage to that theme music from the mark block ad we've become so familiar with, the place went wild. >> let's move on to herman cain, who had a bad week on many fronts but interestingly not in the polls. this latest quinnipiac poll shows 30% of the support, followed with romney with 23%. is there a feeling inside the romney camp that cain is the candidate they fear most now as opposed to rick perry or anyone else? >> you're not really seeing that inside the romney camp, alex. every day they come out -- their press list comes out with some n...

Tax free status, and nevertheless used it, knowing they were using it for what it wasn't supposed to be used for. people go to jail for that, ed. he may be smiling and acting like it's no problem and the people who bought him, the koch brothers, they don't have to worry because they have enough money to get out of something like this. the people that go down are people like mark block and herman cain. so this is a bad situation for him. he can smile all day long. this is about more than campaign finance. >> all right. let's talk about the sexual harassment issue. cain's accuser is not going to...

Unaware of any sort of settlement. i hope it wasn't for much because i didn't do anything. but the fact of the matter is, i'm not aware of a settlement that came out of that accusation. so, as a result, i have never sexually harassed anyone. those accusations are totally false. >> the total for that settlement was $40 billion, so i'm not quite sure how -- i'm joking, of course. it would be funny to be like, i have no idea. i hope it wasn't a lot. actually, it bankrupted national restaurant association. so, the next day cain's top campaign adviser, mark block, who you know from this, this guy -...