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Will tell you, bill bratton was here yesterday and told me the same thing, look, you don't know what it's like to walk in the feet of these police who get called in a high crime area with a bunch of civilians, residents of the area, complaining, why don't you deal with this or that. there's a constant threat. you made an interesting point and both a similar point. it's not the concept of small crimes, the regulation or application how you actually do that. have you seen that similar idea "broken windows" idea applied, mark, regulated, fair, evenhanded and makes residents understand the benefit...

Goes, it increases fear and withdrawal from residents or members of a community and makes it more likely serious crime will occur. this theory dates back several decades. new scrutiny raises serious questions. mark clakston, a retired detective serves as director of black law enforcement alliance is with us. and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. thanks to you both. i thought given what the police chief in new york, kplpolice commissioner said about the place he was apprehended was a high crime area where there were a lot of concerns from residents about increased police presen...

Cocaine offense, violence to it, burning people with curling irons, an awful time. "broken windows" morphed into something more punitive to stop-and-frisk and eventually led us to eric garner. there's nothing wrong with "broken windows" if it's under control. the problem with eric garner there should have been a ticket. there wasn't a reason for five cops to kill him. the pendulum swung. you think about what was happening during this time not only this crack cocaine and policing, at the time of the crime bill, everybody was so scared about crack we overreacted. that's what happened at the time...

Viewers care a lot about. mark is a director of black law enforcement and a former prosecutor. we go to president's meeting with romania's president. >> i think recession is inappropriate. it's just a word that the -- i will be kind, certain people and the media are trying to build up because they would love to see a recession. we're very far from a recession. in fact, if the fed would do its job we would have a tremendous spur of growth. >> he went on to say it would be the greatest growth ever seen. the administration is looking to prevent it including a cut in the payroll tax that the obama...

Times in the back. when you have that level of question it cause as distrusting of the police officers. it don't bode well for other police departments and other cases. and even when there is a contradiction between the verbal description and the physical description and nothing is done. >> mark, we have 20 shots fired and that eight of them entered stephon clark's body. we have the practice of turning off audio. describe what standard practice might be based on this situation and these two data points mark quickly here if you can. >> well, what's important here is that police across the natio...