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Groups. three separate house committees will hold hearings next week where questions will, of course, come up on whether the irs targeted groups based on members' personal beliefs. comes as new evidence suggests that the irs is look a a much broader array of conservative groups and individuals than previously thought. just ahead i will be joined live by the form of head of the irs. he preceded doug shulman and led the agency for four years under george w. bush. mark everson with the latest on his take on the latest we learned today on the expansionive nature of the irs reviews and shulman visi...

Been over there between 100 and 160 times what was your reaction? >> well, i think he bungle dividend d the question when it was asked. there were two legitimate reasons. one is tax reform. the administration was taking a good look at tax reform but more importantly the affordable care act both in the stage of when it was being discussed legislatively and more importantly now that it is law there are many requirements for the service to discharge certain duties and collect information. >> megyn: why so many times and why -- >> that the irs be tied into the conversations about how that be done....

Helps him deposit his checks. jay also like it when mother nature helps him wash his car. mother nature's cool like that. citibank mobile check deposit. easier banking. standard at citibank. >> megyn: the former head of the irs under president bush. mark that's a report that talks about how the irs workers belong too union whose action committee gave 95% of contributions to democrats and traced the contribution from the irs cincinnati office, every one went to president obama or a democrat. is the irs a heavily democrat organization? >> let me just say this, i felt always that people from the ...

For the public charities. >> megyn: joining me now mark everson the former head of the irs under president bush. you were the predecessor to douglas shumman the one who has been to the white house during his term some place over 100 times. between 100 and 160. we don't know exactly. i want to ask you first just i have heard you say it before but i want to give you the chance to explain it how unusual that is, that number of visits by the irs chief to the white house? >> well, i guess what i have said, megyn, is i was over at white house from time to time. you go over to beg for money frankly t...

For law and justice filed a lawsuit against the obama administration on behalf of 25 tea party groups including mccarty's over the targeting. among the targeting conservative groups there's a growing consensus the targeting came from higher up and they are not getting any answers from the agency or the white house. >> there was testimony by officials of the irs. are you satisfied? why not satisfied. the responsiveness people sent them to testify about matters of congressional interest. >> that's a broad question but the answer is yes. if it's specific to this matter the answer is yes. >> congr...