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Deal until yesterday. i think the one person they really want is a murderer from germany. -- he killed somebody in open daylight. in a park on a bicycle. he is in german captivity. that is a person they really want out. i think that is very difficult for the united states government to work with him. but there may be others. i don't know for a fact. there may be other criminals that could be traded. and i do know for a fact that the biden administration continues to work on these issues. for paul whelan, for mark focal, they remain committed to try to get all americans out of russia. i just do...

And we mostly did when i was in the obama administration. in this particular instance, i think it was right to take the deal. because if you didn't, there would've been no deal. it wasn't like there was a better option. of course, we would wish for all americans, paul whelan, mark focal, to be part of this deal, three innocent americans for one criminal. but that was not the deal on the table. it was a very hard call. but i think they made the right decision. >> the timing of this is lost on no one. you -- i wonder how that then complicated all of this. >> it is a great question. i don't know ...