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Faced great challenges and created coalitions to address many of our nation's problems. it's something our specialist says lawmakers can learn from that president. mark grove is the director of the presidential library in austin, texas. welcome, mark. i downloaded your book on kindell. the striking thing when you showcase his quotes from his former aids is how complex and contradictory this outsized man was. all his aids talking about caring, yet brutal. crafty, yet almost innocent and naive. what's the right way for us to think about him today? >> that's right. he was a bundle of contradictio...

To selma and show americans how difficult it is for people of color to register to vote and you get that in the media and the newspapers that there suspect a man who drives a tractor who won't say that isn't right. he understood the importance of working outside of the beltway as well. but looking at that legislation, the civil rights act of 1964, the reason he got it passed was by reaching across the aisle and getting the support of the senate minority leader. that was the key to getting civil rights passed in 1964. so he understood both of those things very well. >> susan? >> mark, when we t...

Several issues. i'm wondering, without those two traits, do you think an lbj who had all three would be able to breakthrough this gridlock today? >> i think you have to have that across the aisle too. i think obama has shown a willingness to compromise. i don't think that's been reciprocated by the opposition party. i was in a conference last weekend where barbara bush said that compromise in washington has become a dirty word. compromise is the only way to get things done in washington. it seems like there's an inability for some on both sides of the aisle to reach out. that's the way things ...