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For the rest of his life, although generally they don't do it if you've been out more than five years and you're over 60. but it means that the government might need to lose them again, so they don't want them to have any conflicts of interest. >> evelyn, thank you. mark, in your conversations with those in the white house, is anybody concerned about rememberstopping the bleeding on this, or are they just trying to stonewall? >> they know it's going to go on. their general stat ji seems to be when somebody leaves and paul ma manafort wasn't in the campaign very long. i suspect with all particu...

Questions and not so many answers. joining me now is our panel, mark hal principal, executive director of showtime. many. mark, let's start with yo the white house doesn't want to hand anything over. why do you think that is. >> well, i think it's a multi-laird issue. and when is don't like that they'll be any more cooperative. democrats can scream all they want but they're not going to have the same leverage as to when they can get republicans on board. sorry. >> obviously they don't want this in the headlines but it