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Relating to gay marriage. and joining us is glenn rush from politico, and mark levovich from "the new york times." i have to start with the gray lady here, t"the new york times" i'm not a student of the press, but i know how to read a story. source after source after source, and high level source close to the president, and the staffers from the president and the vice president's office talking openly about the anger at the vice president. and tell us why, and i know you can't give out the sources, but why is everybody talking? >> well, i won't ask them to stop, but i think that -- >> i know, ...

Person who has found another way to do it, but why the irritation going to the outreach and i have read in your coverage, outrage and negativity and not that joe blew it, but joe is bad, and he was a bad, bad operative. what is that about? you first, glenn and then back to mark. >> because when biden does this stuff, it does not force the president's hand directly, and this is a white house and plouffe and the other guys were forced the act by biden. and one of the givens here, chris, they were saying they would have done this before the convention, and that is not what i was hearing in the we...