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Essentially the premise wall pence, all by himself, could stand in the way of the certification of the electoral votes. meadows received this text from jim jordan on january 5th, the day before the certification process took place. his office did confirm he forwarded that text, but they tried to make is seem as if jordan warrant endorsing this plan. this was a statement from his staff to us, that said, quote, mr. jordan forwarded the text to mr. meadows, and mr. meadow certainly knew it was a forward. but still he presented that information. a word document had more extensive theories about th...

Couldn't overturn 86,000 votes for joe biden. whereas the jim jordan text is really sharing a conspiracy theory. i don't know that it necessarily shows involvement. >> any thoughts on that, jen? >> we know that sending the mob to the capitol to actually physically stop that from happening and thereby putting physical pressure on mike pence and others to just throw over the whole thing, that didn't work. that is a different ball game. you're still going to have to show that link of they knew it could happen, they were pushing for it to happen, but i also want to know who sent that text. >> what...

The president condemn this at all times. >> were you texting mark meadows that day, alyssa, because you thought he was with the president? were they in the same room when this was all unfolding? >> i wasn't aware if he was or wasn't. it was my hope that he could get the message or the counsel to president trump. i used the white house signal system to reach the president because i also hoped to counsel him as well. i just thought anyone who had a platform or a voice to condemn the violence while it was happening and to try to stop it had an obligation to do so. >> so, jen, now that we know fro...

Farah-griffin, the former white house director of strategic communications under trump. ladies, agreed to see you. ahissa, i want to start with you. you texted mark meadows on that day, trying to get him to do the right thing, as so many people were, and just want to read your text to him. you guys have to say something, even if the president is not willing to put out a same, go and and, of course, alyssa pointed out that came true, sadly. did you hear back from mark meadows after that text? >> i did not hear back from mark meadows and actually haven't spoken to him since that text, but it ech...

Monday night during the business meeting the select committee held. this text revealed a legal strategy that jim jordan forwarded on to mark meadows suggesting that vice president mike pence had the ability to decide which leele electors vot legally. it said mike opponents as president of the senate could call ought owl electoral votes he believes and no at all. that was the only portion read monday night. this is the rest of it. in accordance with guidance from founding father alexander hamilton and judicial precedent, no contrary to the constitution can be valid. there's some other legal cas...