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Year that justin timberlake pulled janet jackson's bra off if you need a reference. unfortunately, the council would borrow money to pay the debt and of course when you pay one credit card to pay another there is always a credit card. >> mark, you grew up in detroit and moved back in '09 because you wanted to write your books there. what did you find in terms of the change when you got back? >> there was actually some very positive change which if you go to the downtown or the mid town district where the university and medical center is it is unrecognizable from where i was growing up. i think...

When detroit filed for bankruptcy this week it sealed the city's reputation as the poster child for urban blight and economic failure. what really caused the crisis? the city as hopeless as the photos of abandoned buildings imply? joining me now is the detroit free press columnist rochelle riley and mark menali author of the last days of detroit and detroit city is the place to be. with a welcome to you we'll start with you, michelle. the assumption is the decline of the auto industry caused detroit's problems but there are a lot of other factors there, many that started before the plant start...