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Every witness in the grand jury. i put witnesses in the grand jury when i was concerned that they would either forget or change their story. >> i want to get your -- you to weigh in on the appointment of mark. i'll read for you from the a.p. in recent months, vance hired former mafia prosecute mark pamerantz and has been interviewing witnesses. is this unusual, chuck, to bring someone in, especially someone like mark pomerantz from the outside? >> it's a little bit unusual. it's not unheard of, yasmin. but it's a little bit unusual. and you know, he's more than just a mob or mafia prosecutor. ...

Mark's not a bad guy to turn to. but to specifically answer your question, it is not unheard of. it is unusual. >> and then i also want you to weigh in on allen weisselberg. this is a different witness than the names that we have heard from over and over again when it comes to donald trump, right? we've heard michael cohen. we've heard roger stone. we've heard paul manafort. over the last five-plus years. allen weisselberg is someone who is kind of stayed in the background when it comes to trump organization in general. how does that change the dynamics for him being a witness? >> well, yeah. ...