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Minority. at the polls, it doesn't work out that way. three of those points came over the over 300,000 crowd. he has to bring people together. the decisive strategy doesn't work. moving to the center, isolating the republicans as being against medicare, medicare, education and the environment that is the strategy that worked. not for being for trillions of dollars in tax increases. >> it seems he has been the middle of the road, he has gotten stuck. the people don't like him being wishy wishy. >> one is negotiating, one is is messaging. mark conceded, most polls show you, 60 to 70%, if you tal...

Is doing you are saying to do, make the republicans cut the programs, social security, medicare, and medicaid, doing what you want the without your rhetoric? >> that message doesn't -- he should never have accepted the rhetoric of the debt ceiling in the first place. >> are you saying he is talking- -- talking about going back to the clinton era level of taxation. mark pen was advising -- this is what he is talking about. >> it is -->> it is not about the policies. what is the message that american public is hearing? they are hearing he is for trillions in tax increases. going into the electio...

Killed her. he had pleaded not guilty. with us a close friend of julissa, mark pen. i'm guessing this is a tough day. >> a day of mixed emotions. >> shepard: tell us about those. >> emotions are not like thoughts. you think they run in a pattern but they go willy-nilly. i was awakened by the press trying to get information from me and that's how i found out. it was a huge burden lifted from my shoulders. the pressure of this situation came on a little bit at a time and in one second it lifted. i breathed a sigh of relief at least this chapter it closed. then i went to sleep and this morning i ...

So we'll see if they can work it out. >> dana: john robert, thank you. for more on, this david hop peu is a former chief of staff for ryan paul. mark pen is chairman of the harris poll and president and managing partner of the stagwald group. i understand the president has been having conversations with the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, and paul ryan. and if congress is going to do anything this year, as i understand it, because the speaker of the house said the house has already passed a background bill/concealed carry law, or bill, that they're gonna wait for the senate to take ac...

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