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>> there's some folks who just, you know, weren't sure whether i was born in the united states, whether i was a socialist, right? so there's that segment of it which i think is just dug in ideologically. then i think there's a broader circle around that core group of people who are legitimately concerned about the deficit, who are legitimately concerned that the federal government may be taking on too much. and so i wouldn't paint in broad brush and say that everybody who's involved or have gone to a tea party rally or meeting are somehow on the fringe. some of them i think have some mainstrea...

Let's start with the fire on the right. brian levin, director for study of hate and extremism at california state university at san bernardino. mark podock with the southern poverty law center. mark, i want you to start. there have been things happen. here's what's happened in the past couple of days. nine members of the michigan-based militia were charged with plotting to kill a police officer and then to kill dozens more by setting off improvised explosive devices at the funeral. all in the hopes of igniting an uprising against the federal government. a philadelphia man was charged with th...

Together after a legislative tussle. what i'm worried about is if folks are looking at legislative losses, not as a natural part of the eben flow of the political process but a war. this is a problem when you hook in a combination of this intense division. sprinkle some contorted view of faith and religion in there and then look at the enemies not as being some foreign communist but, indeed, our political institutions and leaders, ourselves. by the way, almost a similar number of folks on the left said that president bush, for instance, could be or is the antichrist. to those on the right who ...

Brian levin, director for study of hate and extremism at california state university at san bernardino. mark podock with the southern poverty law center. mark, i want you to start. there have been things happen. here's what's happened in the past couple of days. nine members of the michigan-based militia were charged with plotting to kill a police officer and then to kill dozens more by setting off improvised explosive devices at the funeral. a philadelphia man was charged with threatening the life of house republican whip eric cantor and his family in a youtube rant that has since been taken ...

American concern getting government too big. it's very homegrown and very normal and i think healthy to be skeptical about the power of government. there are people who have taken up arms, worry about the black helicopters, who think that government is not the problem, but government is the enemy, it's foreign, that it's almost like the old kremlin wall. they think of it as hostile. when did that start? mark? >> well, i think one could make the argument that that really ree description of the federal government as a kind of enemy. it was very much ginned up through the decades by talk radio an...