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Reported. his first crime that we could find, his earliest crime, he was with acquaintances watching a denver broncos football game according to witnesses there. he pulled a fire arm and robbed them of their wallets and of some cash and then took off. there is someone who is definitely the definition of a hardened criminal. i do want to mention though that the neighborhood he grew up in, you probably saw those pictures from our report. very well to do neighborhood. neighbors say this is not a place that would be a breeding ground for racists or white supremacists and they never heard among his...

There because they are upset about big government. that's an old republican and old american concern getting government too big. it's very homegrown and very normal and i think healthy to be skeptical about the power of government. there are people who have taken up arms, worry about the black helicopters, who think the government -- not that it's a problem, but the government is the enemy, it's foreign, that it's almost like the old kremlin wall. they think of it as hostile. when did that start? mark? >> well, i think one could make the argument that that really began with ronald reagan and t...

I mean in a violent sense. that's why i'm really worried about people taking this to a new level. >> i do worry about it. i think it's a national -- it's almost atmospheric. here's the attorney general on the michigan militia people that have been indicted. "thankfully this alleged plot has been thwarted and a severe blow dealt to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspireing to levy war against the united states." you know, mark, that's the question. when we go to law breaking, violence, people who have organize the together and go beyond parties or sitting around talking,...

Folks are looking at legislative losses, not as a natural part of the ebb and flow of the political process, but leveeing a war. this is a problem when you hook in a combination of this intense division. sprinkle some contorted view of faith and religion in there and then look at the enemies not as being some foreign communist but, indeed, our political institutions and leaders, ourselves. by the way, almost a similar number of folks on the left said that president bush, for instance, could be or is the antichrist. to those on the right who say president obama is or could be the antichrist. al...

January. well, there you have it. what is going on right now, mark, in this country? because it's not all right wing. much of it is. >> i mean, i think we are seeing out there a real explosion of rage, of fear, of frustration, and i think a great deal of it is being stoked not only by groups and ideas of the radical right, but by many people on the mainstream who are kind of feeding the flames. >> who? >> you know, it's good to see -- people like john boehner coming out and criticizing some of the talk. it is very much a day late and a dollar short at this point. you know, there are many thing...