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Pressuring or quid pro quo or however you want to put it. the problem here is mark sandy testified under oath that it was a wholesale investigation going into foreign aid. you can quote all you want but this year he testified there was a wholesale investigation on the foreign aid everywhere. trump actually raised this in 2017 and that was testified to. when you look at this, there is no direct evidence of what was said and to try to come back to put it into a different perspective. mr. yermak said there was no connection between the aide and the investigation. if they were trying to get out fr...

Evidence of what they're trying to spin here and that there was a pressuring or quid pro quo or however you want to put it to mr. zelensky. the problem here mark sandy testified there was a wholesale investigation going into foreign aid this year. quote 2017, 2018, but this year because of the problems there was a wholesale investigation on foreign aid everywhere. president trump raised this with mr. poroshenko and that was testified by mr. volker and the former ambassador. there's no direct evidence of what was said here and to try an then come back and put this into ative sper tech positive,...

Back, we held them back. >> we had testimony counter to that, and isn't this something would you have said as soon as someone asked about it as opposed to in the last hour? >> well, this is coming in response to a letter from the government accountability office, which is essentially a nonpartisan congressional watchdog. >> sure. >> but as you mentioned, chris, we have heard testimony, including from mark sandy, one of the senior officials, career officials at omb, that this was anything but a routine policy process, that this was extremely unusual the way that this was all carried out. >> and...

>> now i want to talk about the president's skepticism of foreign aid. the president is very skeptical of foreign aid, is that correct? >> he is deeply skeptical of sending u.s. taxpayer dollars into an environment that is corrupt, because it's as good as kissing it good-bye. >> is that something new that he believes or is that something he ran on? >> this is something that he has run on. something that he has implemented policies, as soon as he became president. the third ranking state department official told us about the over all review of all foreign aid programs, and he described it as al...

>> yes. now i want to talk about the president's skepticism of foreign aid. the presidentci is very skeptic of foreign aid, that is correct? >> he is deeply skeptical of sending u.s. taxpayer dollars into an environment that is corrupt because it's as good as kissing it goodbye. >> is that something new that he believes ors is that something he ran on? >> this is something he has ran on, implemented policies as soon as he became president, ambassador hale, the third ranking state department official told us about the over -- you know, overall review of foreignal apds programs and described it ...