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Pretty effective way of ginning up fear on the part of gun owners that somehow the federal government's about to take all your guns away. there will be pundits and politicians and special interest lobbyists, publicly warning of a tyrannical allout assault on liberty. not because that's true, but because they want to gin up fear or higher ratings or revenue for themselves. >> megyn: simon rosenburg is president and founder of ndn, a think tank, advocacy authorities and president clinton and mark theison a former speech writer for president george w. bush. and before we get to the gun debate an ...

Right, his presidency and barack obama and some of his issues. what i'm surprised by, and i respect mark a lot, there's so much whining going on here coming from the right about barack obama now fighting hard for the things that he believes in. you guys thought he was a wimp. you guys didn't think he was going to fight for the the stuff he cared about and now that he's fighting, you're whining about it and that's a sign of a losing political party. >> megyn: go ahead, mark. >> i'm not whining about anything, unlike his immediate predecessors, barack obama is not interested in bipartisan. compa...

Trillion dollars out of domestic spending and so, this idea that there hasn't been work across the party line is just wrong, it's just that this is going to be a very contentious, two parties are fighting right now, it's going to be very contentious and i don't think that that's going to dissipate in the next couple years. i think it's going to be a tough and rough go of it here the next two years. >> megyn: i think you're right about that. go ahead, mark. >> immigration is going to be a major test for barack obama, because this is an issue where republicans looking back at the last election a...

Opponent. and it's pretty clear that that is what happened there, as he is saying those who oppose his measures do so because they want to gin up fear or make money or generate tv ratings. why can't it be, mark, that they just don't see eye to eye with him? >> well, that's exactly what it is. i mean, we have a difference of opinion and people come to their, to their positions with honesty and with conviction and obama can't simply see that. look, that's not the only time he's done that this week, on the debt limit when he had his press conference on the debt limit. what's motivating and propel...