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Jaworski, is moving according to a more geological clock than the politics or the media would like it to be. senator baker there, you know, the hearings opened exactly 11 months after the break-in. and it took then another 14 -- 15 months, i guess, before nixon's resignation. president nixon only resigned after the supreme court ruled that he had to hand over the tapes. there was a tape from june 21st, 1972, that had him asking, i think, the cia to block the fbi or maybe vice versa into the investigation of watergate. and these things move more slowly than people tend to either hope for or rem...

Top. >> matthew, as stories go, as leaks go, even given this white house, what was different to you about this mccain episode? >> well, i think what's so interesting about this mccain incident is the level of consternation and fury it's drawn from the white house given the nature of the leak. this leak did not endanger national security. this leak did not do anything that would hinder free-flowing debate or the exchange of ideas in the west wing. what this leak did was reveal bad behavior in donald trump's white house and revealed behavior that, you know, in any of our places of employment and...

And kind of the front-line pbs documentary storytelling way, but there were a number of what became known as the white house horrors that ultimately became part of the investigation. and so i think we are in what another figure from that era, destined to be white house chief of staff, donald rumsfeld called a known unknown. >> jon, i was thinking of you today as you and i tend to reminisce about past presidents, about the tone of this president when we saw that tweet today that started, congratulations, america. it didn't go on to wish anyone congratulations. in fact, it was very dark, very ne...

Of staff, donald rumsfeld called a known unknown. >> jon, i was thinking of you today as you and i tend to reminisce about past presidents, about the tone of this president when we saw that tweet today that started, congratulations, america. it didn't go on to wish anyone congratulations. in fact, it was very dark, very negative, and sarcastic. and that, to me -- that's a first for us as american people. getting our arms around the fact that it may not be in the usual scope of the presidency that we hear from the president. >> no. it's almost as though we have the president's defense lawyer is...

Simple, and people who work at the white house, current and former staffers, tell me this all the time. this president does not engender the kind of loyalty that other presidents have. sarah sanders herself said today that it is an honor and a privilege to work at the white house, and anyone who is leaking information like this information that got leaked about john mccain, should be ashamed. but the problem is that there are a lot of people who work in this white house who don't view it as an honor and a privilege. they are worried that they will be the next to fall victim to one of president...