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Bernie sanders is a phenom. he taps into the elizabeth warren left wing of the democratic party. democratic caucus goers in iowa are so liberal that for him to say "i'm a democratic socialist" is a good thing, not a bad thing. when hillary clinton can talk about electability and going up against whomever it is i think democrats will start thinking seriously about that because they want to win. right now it's early, he's interesting. >> it's the summer people are falling in love with bernie sanders. >> and she hasn't been out there hosting -- if hillary clinton wanted to get 25,000 people toget...

I think you saw that, again, on the democratic side in 2004 with howard dean. where the buttons were dated dean married kerry. these are activists, chris, people who care about their party on both sides. they want to nominate somebody who stands a chance of winning. so i think that's one of the reasons why there's so much indecision about this. you have 60% of the likely republican caucusgoers who say they're still undecided, they could be persuaded to change their mind. they want to see, they want to make this decision at the end when they can see who might be the distance runner here. >> ron...

Howard dean. where the buttons were dated dean married kerry. these are activists, chris, people who care about their party on both sides. they want to nominate somebody who stands a chance of winning. so i think that's one of the reasons why there's so much indecision about this. you have 60% of the likely republican caucusgoers who say they're still undecided, they could be persuaded to change their mind. they want to see, they want to make this decision at the end when they can see who might be the distance runner here. >> ron klain, who do white house people fear most? >> i think they, you...