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And you're basically saying, hey, man, you guys set up this incredible thing on the campaign, this could have been done right, and he was sort of replying back and i think there's a really interesting case study here about how government does big tech objects. and it struck me this is the first time that you have a government project dependent on shipping, a big, massive tech project. and we'll have to learn how to do this in the 21st century. >> in fact, what senator sherrod said earlier, which is the government needs to bring some of this in house, tim bray has also written a very interestin...

Know, transactional tool ever shipped on the internet. so already, he's raising people's hopes up. then he issues this challenge. you don't have to take my word for it. go take a look. the opposite of what he should be saying. >> and one of the things -- you had a very interesting interaction with the former chief technology officer of the obama for america -- >> harper -- >> that's right, harper, and he's a famous guy on the internet, a real ninja coder. and you're basically saying, hey, man, you guys set up this incredible thing on the campaign, this could have been done right, and he was so...

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