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Ambassador taylor in particular kept copious notes. and there are e-mails and other text messages, no doubt, that we need to have. and you better believe if any of that information helped exculpate or exonerate the president, we would have seen it. >> ambassador sherman, i want to give you a wide open spot here to share with us your feelings when you were watching your former colleagues and diplomatic service in this testimony today, any part you want to comment on including much of what they had to say about the importance of ukraine. they really wanted to take the opportunity to deliver to t...

Exculpate or exonerate the president, we would have seen it. >> ambassador sherman, i want to give you a wide open spot here to share with us your feelings when you were watching your former colleagues and diplomatic service in this testimony today, any part you want to comment on including much of what they had to say about the importance of ukraine. they really wanted to take the opportunity to deliver to the committee the importance of our policy with ukraine beyond what is just now the scandalous elements of it. >> thank you, lawrence. and thank you, congressman, for your good work today. ...

It's just a question of understanding what happened in the meeting. >> no comments, please. >> can i just ask you, was it a political meeting? was it an economic meeting? could we get -- could we interview you at a later date? would that be possible? >> please. no comments. >> why don't you -- if it's an innocent meeting, why don't you want to talk about it? >> sorry. >> mr. gorkov, mr. gorkov, if it was an innocent meeting with jared kushner, why don't you want to talk about it, sir? i'm sorry. please don't push me out of the way. i just want to ask you about the meeting that you had with jar...