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>> i'm not sure that the problem is solved. >> clearly it isn't. and in fact, donald trump said i have people over there, he talked about the verification process and not specifically but acknowledged that one needed to take place so when he was having his conversation with the reporters, he made sure he understands this is not the end of the road but in classic trumpan fashion he is the master marketer and wants to repeat it as often as possible even though it is not true so it becomes true in public perception. and that is why he declares peace on earth and he solved this problem even though...

Where you are to republican members of congress, this is where i'm driving this discussion. this is where i'm driving this debate. >> look, be the president is a master marketer. when he uses terms, he is using them intentionally. he is also trying to soften the right. with the proposal they're pushing has opposition on the far right, on the left certainly. and so by sort of denigrating dreamers, which is a democratic term to be clear, he calls them daca people, not too sympathetic. >> the president is weighing in just now vaguely on the issue of the memo and intelligence gathering. he just wr...

It was a good 12 minutes into it that he talked about big baller brand. >> i take that as a credit to keep the interview focused. i guess i'm thanking myself. >> lavar ball is a master marketer. the president is. if i pick a fight with him. everyone's going to be talking about what i want them to talk about. he does it all the time. the media and everyone else takes the bait. lavar ball does the same thing. >> he seemed to let it lie. he didn't want to say thank you, but in addition to your thread about the president's suspici suspicions. do you think lavar ball saw an opportunity here and wen...

Wrong. the facts are, we know they did something wrong. we know they were detained in some fashion. and we know they're home. so that's enough for -- but here's the bigger picture. we're watching two master class marketers go with each other here. it's like donald trump finally found a dance partner that can hang with him in terms of self-promotion. the most shocking thing about your interview you just did. was it was a good like 12 minutes into it before he talked about big baller brand. that's really what this is all about. >> i take that as a credit to my ability to keep the interview focus...

>> i think that's a very interesting question and i think a lot of times, many of these protests, you look at the polls from the 1960s, people would argue that martin luther king was very unpopular then. >> martha: we have segregation in the country, real civil rights issues. >> absolutely. but if you want look at polls in the 60s, martin african was absolutely unpopular back then. here's the thing, i think the president is a master marketer, marketing genius and i think what he did was framing. what the nfl players -- they aren't against troops, they aren't against the fly, the national anthe...