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The evidence seems to be compelling. >> just look at the civil part of it. what's amazing is this guy joe who's got the ability to be on television convicted of drunk driving, convicted of driving with a suspended license. there's paending indictment against him for identity theft and forgery and now this 39-count indictment. these aren't stupid people. they've got a racket going on. >> they're criminal masterminds, i think. i don't think they're necessarily smart but they're criminal master mooimds. >> why do you say that? >> because they've been doing it for a long time and getting away with...

The evidence seems to be compelling. >> just look at the civil part of it. what's amazing is this guy joe who's got the ability to be on television convicted of drunk driving, convicted of driving with a suspended license. there's paending indictment against him for identity theft and forgery and now this 39-count indictment. these aren't stupid people. they've got a racket going on. >> they're criminal masterminds, i think. i don't think they're necessarily smart but they're criminal master mooimds. >> why do you say that? >> because they've been doing it for a long time and getting away with...