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>> chris, i'm just telling you, i'm stunned by this. i always do believe that conservatives are fiscally responsible to some extent, they care about issues, they pay attention. the people on the right, they have completely got round heels for this guy. what is going on? you can mock their lack of knowledge, but you know what we've just been showing you and we'll keep showing it, they seem to like him. what's going on here, chris? >> i think it is a function of media attention. he's a master showman. you've got to give him credit. >> you keep asking like it's a carney act. you are mocking your ...

Robert reich and paul -- they all agree that free trade is a net winner for everyone. it creates jobs. it doesn't hit ship jobs to china and places like that. it's a stunning ignorance on what creates economic growth, wealth, and jobs. so i think his candidacy -- if people don't understand really what he believes is very counter productive, and at the club for growth all we're interested in are the facts and make people understand before the show goes on much locker, and find somebody that really promotes pro-growth policies rather than himself. give him credit. he is a master showman. he is a...

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To rethink. >> and to that point, governor dean, there's a "new york times" headline today talking about fears over donald trump's ideas that he wants to raise taxes on hedge fund managers. that it's an anathema to the republican party. he has figured out a brand of economic populism that seems to be working well with the grassroots which is not at all what the establishment has been proposing, and in a weird way has some real through lines with occupy and the tea party movement of 2007. >> well, trump is nothing if not a master showman. he's pretty insightful. we all at the beginning thought ...