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Intelligence strategy. you hope if you let the sleepers sleep long enough one might get close to someone like patrickoff and might earn their confidence to the extent when a crisis looms they can get some intelligence, some over the horizon view useful to a russian strategy response, but my experience, the book i've written which features rudolph able, who was tried and convicted and given 30 years in 1957 as a soviet master spy, it's not accepted that he achieved precisely nothing in intelligence in nine years in the u.s. >> you have spent a lot of time on this. is there a sense for how many ...

Earlier this year, he said he had no communications with the russians. just a flat out statement. that was wrong. because as you noted, the free press showed he had multiple communications with russian ambassador sergey kislyak. he was known in the u.s. intelligence committee as a master spy and recruiter of spies. that would be a very important fact for people to know. and today was also seen that jeff sessions lied on a security clearance form, again denying any contacts with russian foreign government officials. >> again, though, he is saying these are omissions. the -- i know you are sayin...

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