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Right? >> writes. >> according to the u.s. investor to ukraine and we have ambassador taylor's testimony there, it wasn't until ambassador sondland told the ukrainians that there would be , but zelensky agreed to the investigations president trump was demanding, correct? >> that's right, yes. >> furthermore the committee heard testimonies that they felt they had no choice but to comply with president trump's demands. correct? >> yes, even after the aide was released. >> in fact, when asked of president trump in september whether he felt pressured, presidents lenski said, "quote , i'm sorry, i ...

>> sinking feeling? >> thinking feeling, correct. he went and talked to the lawyers at the direction of ambassador bolton. >> correct. and mr. goldman, ambassador taylor also testified that he concluded that the military aid was conditioned on the zelensky announcing the investigations and he testified that this was illogical, crazy, and wrong. is that right? >> that's what ambassador taylor testified to, yes. >> my colleagues have also pointed out that on september 9th, a text message from sondland, crystal clear that there is no quid pro quo. mr. goldman, am i correct in that ambassador sond...

20 section election interference, and that president zelensky should want to do that himself? >> that's right. we had a number of different accounts on this. >> they are up on the boards here. >> i see this. ambassador taylor said that mr. morrison said something similar, their understandings of that conversation was there was a clear directive that there was a quid pro quo factually from the conduct, from the actions. we talk a lot today about the words and zelensky said no pressure, trump had no pressure no quid pro quo. as an investigator, as a prosecutor, you need to look at the actions to...

September 7th in a call with ambassador sondland. mr. goldman, did you receive testimony about this september 7 call? >> yes, we received testimony from three witnesses about it and it gets a little complicat complicated. but that was a consistent refrain through all of the witnesses is the president did say "no quid pro quo." >> mr. morrison that same date? >> mr. morrison then reported to master taylor, correct? >> that's correct, yes. >> both mr. morrison and ambassador taylor took most of those instructions, yes question marks because they did. >> whether notes or the nose produceto the co...

>> it's very uncommon to speak with any political ambassador on the phone for a president and certainly one you don't know or know anything about. >> although this president does work the phones. i think the reporting is clear on this he calls a lot of people. he calls members of congress all the time. i think he calls more. >> but how important is ukraine to the president other than the bidens and crowd strike. >> that i understand is important. but it just seems like a, for the president to invest a time to actually talk to this person, who he says he doesn't know, to just check up on the in...