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Side is that it's an electability argument. he has said he's the strongest candidate to go up against hillary clinton, and if we see donald trump continue to beat hillary clinton in these head-to-head match-ups, that electability case goes out the window for him. >> thank you for clarifying for me. i posed to wrong, you fixed it. your reaction, the fact that jeb bush beats hillary clinton but you've got donald trump leading. >> well, i would say a couple things. one is that donald trump's favorability numbers have improved a lot over the last couple months, especially among republicans. so he'...

Numbers. the latest quinnipiac poll has hillary clinton at 45% with bernie sanders at 22% and biden at 18%. those numbers are pretty decent for someone who hasn't even declared yet and well above candidates like martin o'malley. they're also not great numbers for someone who is sitting vice president of the united states. let's not forget that biden has already run against clinton in a contest for the vice presidential nomination, and he didn't do well. he sometimes pulled 40 points behind clinton. on the other hand, biden does do well in potential 2016 general match-ups, even better than hill...

Now, sean, this same poll could give vice president joe biden another reason to challenge hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. biden is actually better liked than clinton is. 83% of the voters have a favorabilitying of the vice president, 6% view him unfavorably. when it comes to hillary clinton, 76% said that they view the former secretary of state favorably and 11% have an unfavorable view. so we'll have to see if strong support like this factors into biden's decision. we'll be keeping a close eye on it and we'll let you know. >> i don't think there's any doubt. i think he is being...

Issues of the day are and what they would do to move our country forward. that's joe biden. he's been doing that for years. >> he lost in 1988 and 2008 in his presidential runs. what would be different this time around? >> again, i think it's what people are look for. president obama in 2008 won because he embodied what the american electorate wanted which was change, which was moving forward. i think biden -- the vice president has that now. >> let's talk about polling that has been very good for him. not even in the race and showing up double digits in important states like florida, ohio, pe...

Campaign. a new quinnipiac survey shows he's performing better than hillary clinton in head-to-head match-ups in key swing states. he's spent the summer in seclusion following the death of his son beau. yesterday he met with massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. he is expected to make a decision very soon. joining us now, josh alcorn, a close friend of the bidens and senior adviser for draft biden 2016, a super pac hoping to get biden into the race. thank you for being here. >> great to be here. >> you said this isn't about hillary clinton. given what we just talked about, would the vice pre...