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Dishonor. and this goes to where these data, this mate data goes because the nsa are professionals. they are limited in number to 22 who have access to the data. two of them are supervisors. they are vetted. they are carefully supervised. the data goes anywhere else. how do you provide that level of supervision. >> so is it critical then to get to the bottom and will you investigate who might have been involved and whether there was any link to the russians? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> that investigation is ongoing. >> absolutely. >> sure. but you have to remember, al qaeda has changed the w...

Debate someone will make clear we kill more terrorists using drones. people may mot like drones but it's a substitute for american soldiers being on the ground. two, learning more and more about terrorist plots. i live in new york city. i'm thank fal we have programs that do this. i'm not a snowden fan. he should come back home and face the music here like -- because i believe what he did was break the law. but at the same time, are if we can answer the one question that andrea laid out, where do you store the data or who should store it. >> talking to privacy advocates, critics of these progr...

As said, you, you know, the world is really dangerous and we need these tools to be safe. it's very hard to imagine fundamental changes in the program against president obama's wishes. >> yeah, i mean, that's a question, reformers are they going to say no, we're going to challenge these programs and stop this bulk collection of data? >> they're already saying they want to stop the bulk collection. the biggest change he made was the government would no longer store the elected metadata, all the phone records but hasn't said how that's going to happen. the phone companies are not equip theed to ...

Great satan. she said we face a new level of viciousness. so to you and others who are opposed to these programs, she's saying that's got to be more important. >> yeah, and to me that is a false choice. in fact, i remember hearing president obama campaigning on the false choice, the bush administration was positioning when they were trying to do this very same thing. i think it's really important for us to realize that it's possible for us to have security while also not overstepping our right to privacy. >> can we do it without -- i mean, as i've listen toed to you and others who oppose these...

Be looking forward to a proper congressional investigation. the sort of thing that will actually get us some answers that has subpoena powers that has the ability to sift through and actually give the american people the transparency we deserve. >> but aren't we living, even snowden talked about in that a child growing up today is not going to really understand what the concept of privacy is. but don't you also turn toward some of the leading tech companies in the world that were started here in america, amazon and google, and look at what they're doing to compromise our privacy, not onlien co...