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General to come back to me with some suggestions and probabilities of how the data might be stored by others in the government. and i think that's a very difficult thing because the whole purpose of this program is to provide instantaneous information to be able to disrupt any plot that may be taking place. and you know, i think a lot of the privacy people perhaps don't understand that we still occupy the role of the great satan. new bombs are being devised. new terrorists are emerging. new groups. actually, a new level of viciousness. and i think we need to be prepared. i think we need to do ...

Soldiers being on the ground. two, learning more and more about terrorist plots. i live in new york city. i'm thank fal we have programs that do this. i'm not a snowden fan. he should come back home and face the music here like -- because i believe what he did was break the law. but at the same time, are if we can answer the one question that andrea laid out, where do you store the data or who should store it. >> talking to privacy advocates, critics of these programs say the reason this is so significant is if you continue to allow the government to collect all this data and basically create ...

Because the nsa are professionals. they are limited in number to 22 who have access to the data. two of them are supervisors. they are vetted. they are carefully supervised. the data goes anywhere else. how do you provide that level of supervision. >> so is it critical then to get to the bottom and will you investigate who might have been involved and whether there was any link to the russians? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> that investigation is ongoing. >> absolutely. >> sure. but you have to remember, al qaeda has changed the way they communicate based on this. that puts our soldiers at risk...

Of america's phone records. and i think if these leaders believe that to be true, then they would encourage or at least be looking forward to a proper congressional investigation. the sort of thing that will actually get us some answers that has subpoena powers that has the ability to sift through and actually give the american people the transparency we deserve. >> but aren't we living, even snowden talked about in that a child growing up today is not going to really understand what the concept of privacy is. but don't you also turn toward some of the leading tech companies in the world that ...

Abdicated their responsibility. so i'll start with you chairman rogers. will anything change? >> first of all, i couldn't disagree more. that's like having the janitor at a bank who figured out how to steal some money deciding matters of high finance. this was a thief who we believe had some help who stole information the vast majority had the nothing to do with privacy. our army, navy, air force, marines have been incredibly harmed by the data that he has taken with him and we believe now is in the hands of nation states. >> what help did he have? who helped him do you think in is. >> well, t...