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>> let's talk about it. we have cnn's senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources" and along with cnn contributor bill carter. your thoughts on trump's performance? >> i think he was okay. i think it's all depending on material. i thought the material was pretty soft, not really pointed satire, so it was relatively easy for him to skate whatever the controversy there was. and, you know, some of the sketches were just sort of out of left field. these were the ones that sort of pointed to whatever controversy there was, and, you know, they didn't really do any damage to him, i don't...

The results speak for themselves here for the fact that this system doesn't work but yeah, i didn't call for shinseki's resignation because it isn't going to solve this problem. what's going to solve the problem is aggressive digging, figuring out what happened, what went wrong, why it happened and how we can unwind it and get out of the mess. that's what we have to be focused on, whether we do that under the leadership of shinseki or somebody else isn't going to make a ma for yell difference. what is going to make a material difference, is what policies we adopt moving forward. >> what would ...

The thing speaks for itself. their results speak for themselves here. for the fact that this system doesn't work. but yeah, i didn't call for shinseki's resignation because his resignation isn't going to solve this problem. what's going to solve this problem is aggressive digging. whether we do that under the leadership of shinseki or someone else isn't going to make a material difference. what is going to make a material difference is policies we adopt going forward. >> what would you propose? >> one measure is senate bill 2013. there's a house version of it sponsored by representative jeff m...

Er is. shinseki's resignation is not enough to fix the organization that is bloated. >> his resignation is not going to solve this problem. what will solve this problem is aggressive digging and figuring out what happened and what within wrong and how to unwind it and get out of this mess. that's what we have to be focused on. it is not going to make a material difference. >> one report from the office of the inspector general found systemic problems about the wait times. as many as 1700 veterans were off of the wait list for appointments. officials in the va are reaching out to the men and wo...

The results speak for themselves here for the fact that this system doesn't work but yeah, i didn't call for shinseki's resignation because it isn't going to solve this problem. what's going to solve the problem is aggressive digging, figuring out what happened, what went wrong, why it happened and how we can unwind it and get out of the mess. that's what we have to be focused on, whether we do that under the leadership of shinseki or somebody else isn't going to make a ma for yell difference. what is going to make a material difference, is what policies we adopt moving forward. >> what would ...