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Nobody lost today. we had two really good oral advocates putting on good presentations. so hard to predict based on that. i think the moment you flagged there, when justice kennedy, who was not in play in the last obamacare case in 2012 he hated this act. and today when he started raising those states' rights concerns, started to say he had serious constitutional worries, that's when all the progressives in the room went huh? maybe we got him. >> the reason it was striking to me, and from the accounts that i read today about how the oral arguments went, what was striking to me is it seems like...

Breakthrough, what makes it much more high-stakes for christie, he's tied directly to the activity. the argument that i was told the governor said this was a priority for him. we know, larry wrote a great book about this seven or eight months ago. we know there's more tolerance for public officials than they used to. having said that, these allegations are serious ones and could have a material effect. certainly if proven out, these are serious questions. >> are these serious it comes on the heels whether chris christie misspent sandy money to air television commercials also in the view of som...

What makes this more high stakes is that he is being tied to the argument that i was told the governor said this was a priority for him. we know larry wrote a great book about this everybody in public life gets some dents now. but even having said that, these allegations are serious ones and i think they could have a material effect if proven out these are serious questions. >> are these serious allegations because it comes on the heels of the feds. well, yeah, you know i think again, it is the overall pattern that becomes the risk here. all of these allegations resolve around the idea of impr...

Regulations, they essentially tell you it's against the law, it's at least against state regulations to tell anybody the differences between various health plans or to advise someone that they should sign up for health insurance. they have made it almost criminal to help anybody sign up. do you think that will have an overall substantial material effect on whether or not texans are going to be able to get signed up? >> it's going to have an effect. the navigators are an important element. there's lots of other ways people can sign up. but there's certain people who are either suspicious of thi...

>> and even when itd is not a life and death thing, it is certainly a matter of thousands of dollars for your family year after year after year for regular everyday families no matter how your family votes. if these differences in yacht comes persist in a way that has a real material effect on people's lives, forget the politics. should we expect migration? shouldn't we expect that people might move from states where you can't get good health coverage for your family? it would have a huge material effect on your life if these differences between the states are sustained over time. this is is a...