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And there has to be a materiality component to these false statements. so they have to have influenced mueller's investigation. so the big question is how does the trump tower moskow connect with russian collusion? that sort of remains open. and then there's this issue which connects them to a little bit, and particularly don junior in that june 2016 meeting, which is sanctions. if you need to remove the sanctions in order to do the trump tower deal, then don junior talking to russians in june of 2016 about sanctions becomes a lot more close -- a lot closer to what bob mueller is looking at. >...

Collusion. and your right to point out that michael cohen's indictment and his criminal information references his connection to trump tower. but bob mueller is not investigating trump tower moskow. he's not investigating the trump organization. he is investigating russian collusion. and there has to be a materiality component to these false statements. so they have to have influenced mueller's investigation. so the big question is how does the trump tower moskow connect with russian collusion? that sort of remains open. and then there's this issue which connects them to a little bit, and part...

To the fib end of discussion. >> you do not end to the fbi, but the words of the statute itself contain the words materiality. if you look at the legislative history of section 1001 s congress never really intended for every single lie ever told in the presence of a federal agent or federal official to be criminal. that's why they included the materiality component. one of the essential elements. >> that's why they do background checks. do pa lot more than investigate crimes. and once again i think any law professor or any lawyer says that you can lie to the fbi because a crime isn't kpet. tha...