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People making $200,000 or more. the president wants a rate increase coming in january on people making $200,000 or more and go into next year's negotiations on reforming the tax code and he's looking at a single year time period to have three tax increases on the same group of folks, we're saying that's dramatic on the economy, that will slow down development of our economy in a time we're looking to increase more jobs, why would we do this? how does this stimulate the economy and how does it solve the debt? the president's proposal is $160 billion of new taxes a year on a $1 trillion problem....

Of magnimty reaching out to the republicans? >> it's crazy, it's what the president says all the time. if you listen to the press conference, he seems to say the biggest wish list for his liberal partisans has become docile letting these tax rates expire. while the republicans have moved, they are offering revenue, this is a change from their position, while the frame work is potentially there for a deal, the president is saying no compromise, no compromise. >> paul: what's his strategy, bill, here? what is he thinking? obviously, if we don't get a deal we do go off the tax cliff and the with ...

>> well -- >> they're going to have no choice. >> what's that? >> he has issued a pamphlet. i got one when i was going to the bar and handing out pamphlets to me. let's compare the rate of unemployment, let's compare the 2 million people who are now being re-educated to get back into the workforce, let's compare what he's done for women, let's compare exports, let's compare the car industry and now them even exporting and ohio's unemployment rates. let's compare those accomplishments to what mitt romney has to offer and what basis he is offering his economic plan. >> bill karins -- >> there's ...

And i'm just sort of in awe of you. i challenge everyone to not -- >> do you know -- >> see if we can make it to 30 by the end of the hour. >> do a different sport. >> although there would be whiff in the middle of it which is baseball. >> well, i looked -- i thought that would -- i didn't know that anybody would pick that up. i looked up boxing metaphors on-line to determine whether haymaker was fair use. >> you can read the political coverage. >> can i make a point about this tax answer. part of the reason romney has trouble answering it, we can say this objectively, the math doesn't add up....

By virtue of his policies. so this for me is all about the 100%. the president can talk about the thing he would like to talk about. i am going to talk about getting america working again and help all the people of this country. >> sean: it seemed like the president had a hard time -- he kept telling you about your plan and you kept creeking him, no, there guagain, sort of moment. that's not my plan. you were saying very sprveg plans about how to increase revenues to the government and how to balance the budget, including $716 billion back into medicare. not gutting defenses. keeping tax rates...