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Revenue will be a sticking point. senate republicans have a razor thin majority to pass tax reform. and many have expressed concern about the nation's debt. senator hatch wants to repeal goodlines that allow contributors to convert traditional iras into roth iras. that's useful when you need to get around the income limits. so potential changes to the 401(k) indeed. >> neil: all of this is to make the math work. >> yeah. >> neil: could be a give-away for senators that want to delay the tax cut implementation to next year. but they have to find a way to

We only have to go back to 2009, 2010 when they were trying to fight to get obama care done. think about this, if 20 million people get thrown off of the roles of health care, what those town halls are going to lookic loo fp we've already seen that so far, you're going to see a deflated gmic base get energized. >> independenting. >> if this bill doesn't get passed, because he said one of his first orders of business is repeal and replace obama care, he's going to get it done? >> i think he moves on to the next big legislative thing he's talked about. we've seen this from gone ald trump in the ...

In terms of policywise, it was a mixed bag. >> james, nerd out for me here because the math. question marks about how this adds up for republicans. some things republicans wanted to see in that speech. some paul ryan-esque priorities. but no sense of like how you make the math work. >> like with donald trump for the last year and a half, republicans heard what they want to hear. didn't give a lot of details but afterwards, paul ryan's sending out an e-mail saug the president embraced our plans, supported this and that. he didn't do those things but just as with a lot of different trump things,...

The -- i will get to number two. do you believe the obama administration knows that number? >> i believe they do know that number because the insurance executives have said they have provided that number to the white house. and, yet, the white house and secretary sebelius she had no idea to the point that the chairman of the ways and means testimony your testimony at best pervasive and perhaps misleading. >> why did she do that? >> well, i think they don't want to give that number. the reality of this is they had to provide insurance, paid at a certain number. they needed 7 million people to m...

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