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Again. it went down in april. it went down in may. the index now stands at 64.9. in february, it was at 71.6. we've seen a pretty steady decline since february, which you know, tell me, matt, seems to mirror what we've seen on jobs creation front in terms of the fall. as the job creation number goes down, consumer confidence goes down, small businesses get hurt. because people don't have confidence they don't want to go out and spend. they don't want to hire matt mechanical. they want to put their money in the mattress. >> if small business isn't hiring more people out of work. more people out...

There is study based on federal minimum wage. it doesn't pay to pick up a penny unless you do it in six seconds. you're losing money if you're making minimum wage. tells you this penny is probably pretty much worthless. i will stock up. because it may be collectors edition. alisyn: people are dropping money your apartment building and we should go over there with a metal detector. >> pennies will not get us very far. alisyn: to your point, it costs 2 1/2 cents to make every penny and only worth one cent. >> we're making, u.s. mint making average of 20.2 million pennies per day. that costs a lo...