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Until after the first of the year. let's say democrats say we are going to support a three month spending bill. that's terrible for the republicans. then they may be dealing with one less vote in the senate and have to do this in an election year. >> i think that scenario is plausible. i'm not saying this is a win/win for republicans either. what i'm saying that if their government shuts down because of the democrats taking a stand on daca. which seems to be where things seem to be headed if you read the public pronouncements of the democratic leadership, then they willan blamed for the shutdo...

Immigration in the bill. and d.r.e.a.m.ers. based on the theatrics we saw from the president's tweet to the democrats pulling out of the meeting it's not looking good. >> matthew, and ruth, i'm curious, i got the sense that both trump and chumer and pelosi they were all looking for a way out of this meeting. i hate to be that cynical. are either of you that cynical. >> i don't know what sparked this president's tweet this morning. if i were pelosi and schumer, remember in september that was a deal the democrats spun as victory for them. i'm not sure if it was a victory or not. they thought it ...

Paneltime. matthew continenty. is a heel kip you are -- is a heel, you are mr. congress. the fact that we have you here for a couple of minutes probably has your editors a he little nervous. what happened today. is the government really close to shutting down or not, or was this theater. >> one of two important things that happened today. government is closer to shutting down. >> it is? >> this is a meeting the republican leaders have been trying to get for a while. they have been trying to get the four leaders in the room with president trump to hammer out top line spending levels on defense ...

>> is that a satisfactory explanation? you seem as if you believe they made a mistake here. >> i don't know that they made a mistake. but i think turning up is probably a better deal for some of the reasons that matthew argued. i think in the end the notion that democrats are going to be the ones blamed for a shutdown here is kind of donald trump fantasy, that you are buying into a little bit. but i do think that if you were trying make sure you are not going to be blamed for a shutdown you want to be sort of playing the theater instead of sitting in the audience. >> another reason why i feel ...