>> mother of a 16 year old and 19 year old, their maturity level really different and i would say the 19 year old has a better sense where we are going in terms of civic education and responsibility to cast that first vote, i don't think the 16 year old has that maturity and that's a big issue. sense of felony and having people incarcerated voting, that divides party in a lot of ways and when they get out of jail to be able to cast a vote, they should be given that opportunity. >> recently laws allow jury service and eroding that up until now -- >> give them a second chance. >> exactly, for 16...