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Movement is about, to have some reflection and some regret, and he really -- he did not live up to that moment. that was surprising. >> shannon: i want to play a little bit what joe lockhart, former white house press secretary, said about his impression of this interview. >> i think in that moment, you are seeing donald trump a little bit. i'm not comparing them on any other mark other level beyond the terrible strategy it is to e himself, you, the issue here, and to be victimized. he was not the victim then. donald trump is not the victim now. >> shannon: derek? speak it was very interesting ...

>> i think the top level of the fbi, mccabe needs to be bored, comey needs to be worried committees two fbi agents who work in the tank for clinton and he did trump, and at the end of the day, what have we found is the two fbi agents involved in looking at the clinton email investigation had a thumb on the scale. for clinton against trump. we also see a warrant issued by federal court based in a dossier prepared by a foreign agent paid for by the democratic party, used to obtain a warrant against carter page, part of the trump campaign, and rosenstein was in that chain of events. let mueller d...

Constitution is absolutely clear. the president's power to pardon, it says, "except in cases of impeachment." so if trump can pardon himself and a criminal case, but i don't think that will be relevant here, because mueller is not likely to indict him criminally. impeachment, he can't. >> shannon: impeachment is a different valve than the constitution provided for lawmakers. if they are unhappy about something the president does and feel it rises to the level, they have the option for addressing that. richard, another legal scholar and professor says, "i think it's pretty clear there is a righ...