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Mr. rodriguez and i presume you, were as aware that two white house counsel, the counsel of the vice president, the dni and the dcia and the hipse ranking member had expressed reservation about the destruction of tapes. did you know that at the time you drafted that cable? >> i don't think i knew the entire list and i knew there were some objects and that is why we were going back to the director of the central intelligence agency. >> was it a matter of coincidence that this was the same week, that the mccain amendment was on the floor of the u.s. senate? was it a mere coincidence that that wa...

House counsels, the counsel to the vice president, the dcie and hipsy ranking member had expressed reservation about the destruction of the kaips. did you know that at the time you drafted the table? >> i didn't know the entire list but i knew there were some objections and why we were going back to the director of the central intelligence agency. >> was it a matter of coincidence that this decision was moved to destroy the tapes the same week the 11th amendment was being considered and the mccain amendment was on the floor. was it a mere coincidence after three years of delay the decision was...

Was aware that two white house counsels, the counsel of the vice president, the dni, the dcia and ranking member had expressed observation about the destruction of the tape. did you know that at the time of the destruction of the tape? >> i don't believe i knew the entire list, but i knew there were some objections. that's why we went back to the director of the cia. >> was it a matter of coincidence that this decision was made to destroy the tapes in the same week that two major stories appeared in american newspapers, the 11 amendment was being considered and the mccain amendment was on the ...

United states. seems to me it makes more sense to put a priority on them coming in as a priority. >> on the subject of torture, president trump says he'll defer decisions to the defense secretary retired general james mattis. congress, though, has the final say. it's the law. the law says torture is illegal. do you believe the president respects congressional authority on this specific matter? >> you know, i do. i think he made a statement that there are three cases muhammad one of them who was water boarded. in that case it actually got us information that saved american lives and led us to o...

Mccain amendment and the resolution on the other side says. it says change the momentum on the ground. >> but mccain lost the election in '08. he's not the president. >> it was kerry this morning reacting to reaction to the mccain/graham amendment that was added to the senate resolution who was saying this is going to be unbelievably small. >> unbelievably small. >> that's for the purpose of stopping the hemorrhaging of democrats that was on the verge of occurring. they thought the senate resolution provided for a much wider war. to give you an idea of the political appeal of this, something i...