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News, which is interesting. you know, and so i think part of it is they feel if they apologize, maybe it opens the door to having to actually be accountable for what they do going forward. and that's a hell of a prospect. >> is this possibly a situation, john, where, i mean, when trump's campaign first started everybody thought that his criticism of john mccake as a p.o.w. would be the hill trump died on. the lesson they learned, he's not going to die on this hill. >> that is absolutely right. how you began almost always dictates how you finish. one of the first -- you're exactly right. one of...

Apologize, maybe it opens the door to having to actually be accountable for what they do going forward. and that's a hell of a prospect. >> is this possibly a situation, john, where, i mean, when trump's campaign first started everybody thought that his criticism of john mccake as a p.o.w. would be the hill trump died on. the lesson they learned, he's not going to die on this hill. >> that is absolutely right. how you began almost always dictates how you finish. one of the first -- you're exactly right. one of the first moments where we realized kryptonite -- the ordinary political kryptonite ...

And she was his deputy here at the white house, he had some interesting immigration comments to say as well on npr this morning. so it certainly highlights the fact that the president not pleased by not believe a wall, and of course he plays a role in this as well, not getting the funding in the budget. he likes to pass the blame, and it appears it was secretary nielsen's turn, wolf. >> pretty awkward. jeff zeleny, thank you very much. former vice president joe biden just a few moments ago weighed in on the mccain comment. he said this. people have wondered when decency would hit rock bottom...

To haunt. >> no, no, this is on point. in other words, you're going to have two competing campaigns. they're going to say, oh, barack obama said x, but i think barack obama's campaign is going to be pointing out that this is a guy that will say anything. and he says one thing one year and something else the next year. so that's what you going to see in november -- megyn: so if you want to focus on the semantics of it, arguments about the semantics on both sides suggesting -- >> well, arguments about semantics, they may have arguments about that, but mitt romney did sign a bill banning assault ...

Tapers that he's placing -- containers that he's placing these bombs in. the flashlights are being examined for fingerprints and dna, and they're trying to trace the explosives. they figure if they can find out where the explosives are found, it will lead back to the flashlight bomber. big concern though in the valley of the sun. megyn: unbelievable. trace, thank you. >> reporter: yep, okay. megyn: did the white house make a deal allowing you to pay higher prescription drug prices in exchange for support of obamacare from the critical pharmaceutical industry? we are looking at some new memos, ...