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I think frankly they, a lot of people in the trump camp see this as an opportunity to drive, continue to drive base enthusiasm and make sure those people are getting out to vote to create that energy because the worst thing in the world would be for that base to be somehow lethargic when it comes to the 2020 election. it clearly is not a strategy driven at independent voters but driven at continuing to animate that base and by the way, it's tied to the immigration dialogue. it's tied to other things which the president has seized on in recent weeks. so no, i don't think it's a strategy for ind...

Recent weeks. so, no, i don't think it's a strategy for independent voters. i think it's a strategy for base mobilization. >> phil rucker, in the category of uncomfortable smiles, no one has mcconnell and mccarthy beat. i raise this because we note on the white house schedule there is a 4:00 republican congressional leadership meeting with the president. what's that going to be like? >> to be a fly on that wall. we'll see what that meeting is like. i mean, look, the president is, is going to have to explain himself, i think, and explain these comments. we've notably not heard from mitch mcconn...

Strategy for independent voters but for base mobilization. >> phil, no one has mcconnell and mccarthy beat. i raise this because we note on the white house schedule, there is a 4:00 republican congressional leadership meeting with the president. what's that going to be like? >> to be a fly on that wall. we'll see what that meeting is like. i mean, look, the president is going to have to explain himself i think and explain these comments. we've notably not heard from mitch mcconnell, the highest ranking republican on capitol hill. he has been silent. by the way, most of those republicans who co...