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The Katie Phang Show

let's presume that a republican majority in the house with kevin mccarthy, elected speaker, that does not necessarily the. outcome it is possible that he doesn't actually end up as a speaker, although i would say that is the likeliest outcome. but what is the dynamic look like in this republican house? there is obviously been dysfunctional publican houses in the past. will this one have that level of dysfunction or will it even harder for somebody like mccarthy to call these members? >> it is a great, question. sam you and i were on together when the mccarthy tapes broke on january 6th and i said look this might hold the speakership in peril. you said no, i think you will get through. and sense that he indeed has consolidated, is i don't know if i would call it the crazy caucus. in my's own congress, the crazy caucus was ten or 15 people. now it is the majority of the caucus. so the dynamic is an interesting one. because rather than kevin

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Deadline White House

private citizen. there were republicans who admitted to letting trump off the hook without knowing the full picture and basically knew the full picture would get worse. when casting his vote back in january of 2021, republican congress michael mccaul of texas said this quote, i will with a heavy heart impose impeachment at this time. i did not come to this decision lightly, and i truly fear there may be more facts that come to light in the future that will put me on the wrong side of this debate. each 1/6 committee hearing brings more and more facts to light, facts that the republicans knew, we know they knew from the mccarthy tapes that the "new york times" revealed. and even today, where are they? where are the republicans? the ongoing enabling of donald trump and the danger he poses to our democracy is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. ashley parker is here, "washington post" white house bureau chief and an msnbc political analyst, also joining us, someone i'm so excited to talk to, amanda carpenter, a

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

this committee to be getting this audiotape on the eve of their public hearing. revealing how kevin mccarthy actually felt about conducting this kind of investigation just a few days after the attack on the capitol? >> it's incredibly important because this first hearing in some ways is really going to dictate whether the american people care about what's going to happen. they are going to be turning into say, does this matter. the mccarthy tapes, which he so eloquently presented could've been the opening statement because when you have allies of the former president back in the day contemporaneously saying this matters, it is important, then the american people can see that this is not just a retried of old events but this matters. that's what the committee has to do the most. show why this matters, january 6th was not the end of, that was the culmination of a systematic attempt to undermine the election which kevin

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

donald trump's first impeachment trial. barry, let me begin with you, with all your experience in the kind of work that we are going to see on display tomorrow night in this hearing. how do you think it informs this committee to be getting this audiotape on the eve of their public hearing. revealing how kevin mccarthy actually felt about conducting this kind of investigation just a few days after the attack on the capitol? >> it's incredibly important because this first hearing in some ways is really going to dictate whether the american people care about what's going to happen. they are going to be turning into say, does this matter. the mccarthy tapes, which he so eloquently presented could've been the opening statement because when you have allies of the former president back in the day contemporaneously saying this matters, it is important, then the american people can see that this is not just a retried of old events but this matters. that's what the committee has to do the most. show why this matters, january 6th was not the end of, that was the culmination of a

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Deadline White House

most forthcoming witnesses to the 1/6 select committee. what if they play hours an hours of tape that show what mo brooks and kevin mccarthy and all of the other members did. how do you counter program that. >> that might change their legal options but it is not going to change their political optionsch you make a good point about a number of witnesses. a thousand of witnesses are done. as we learn from the mccarthy tapes, on every phone call where there is members there are also staff. there are witnesses and people listening to every conversation that happened on capitol hill. you can't have a private conversation on capitol hill or between members, it almost isn't done. and those kind of things will come out. and will potentially cause perhaps legal problems if there is laws that were broken for any of members. but i could tell you, there is probably nothing that would help kevin mccarthy's chances of being elected speaker more than

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All In With Chris Hayes

this as an immoral and medical emergency for millions of people and their families. >> -- great to have you on. thank you very much. >> thanks for having. me >> all right, much more to come tonight including did don jr. just testify against the january six committee and the mccarthy tapes. what's trump's top public in the saying behind closed door, after the insurrection and later my interview with stacey abrams, who's been for governor, is the closely watched race in terms, stick around you don't wanna miss it. terms, stick around you don' wanna miss it. wanna miss it.

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All In With Chris Hayes

again even saying the word a bunch, and you end up in this situation. >> and it's been 50 years. and when chuck schumer and nancy pelosi draft this late put out their message, their statement, it did not include the word abortion, they couldn't say it, it's something -- he didn't even use the word abortion in his state of the union address. he did, he's used in the past couple of days on willingly, but again they're not treating this as an immoral and medical emergency for millions of people and their families. >> -- great to have you on. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> all right, much more to come tonight including did don jr. just testify against the january six committee and the mccarthy tapes. what's trump's top public in the saying behind closed door, after the insurrection and later my interview with stacey abrams, who's been for governor, is the closely watched race in terms, stick around you don't wanna miss it.

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The Katie Phang Show

>> a few minutes ago, you mention the fact they are basing this new round of letters on the lead text messages. the leaked audio from the mccarthy tapes. it is a leaked. that is what they are basing it on. all that to, say they did not have it before. the january six committee, that is. if they're billing this investigation in fact finding hobby, how is it supposed to be reassuring to the american public? that the committee is getting all the information that needs to and from the united states public about what happened that day? >> well, we don't know if they have a text messages, or what the situation is. from what we understand, these text messages are with the committee obtained from mark meadows. the committee has certainly had somewhat these messages. they've held on to them from november to december when meadows sourced furch first started cooperating with the committee. they, think now is a time to do it because this come to the public, and everyone has seen for themselves how people like marjorie taylor greene, trying

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Morning Joe

nothing but lose. >> well, i think all of that is sort of symbolized, if you will, in the mccarthy tapes. you see the civil nature of the republican party. inside, you know, close quarters, talking amongst themselves, they will be rational. they will say exactly what the rest of america knows to be factually true. not just about donald trump but about what is happening in the party and why it is so dangerous and bad. but then they'll get into this public space where donald trump is hearing and watching them, and their behavior changes. so donny actually puts the best point on it. when you have this sort of civilized kind of reality where everybody's personality is all over the place and you don't know which republican party is going to show up to deal with this, you have to have that moment where the leader, the

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

that was then. and now, it's worse. republicans called democrats pedophiles and groomers. today, some of donald trump's closest allies in the house of representatives confronted house republican leader kevin mccarthy over comments he made in the secretly recorded mccarthy tapes. in those tapes, which were obtained by the new york times, mccarthy and top house republican leaders are heard expressing concern that florida congressman matt kates and other extreme members of the republican party could incite violence against other members of congress in both parties. >> okay, the other thing honoring up and i'm making some phone calls to some members. i just, i just got something sent now about newsmax something matt gates said where he's calling peoples names out, saying an anti trump in this type of atmosphere, so many other places.

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