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Jersey seemed to make a power play to get that part of the case. so that suggested they're taking this very seriously. >> yeah, that's a great point, bradley, briefly, on that. paul butler is a friend, in fact, of pareet here in new york, had stepped up and actually issued some calls for documents then walked it back. that's fairly unusual, particularly as we know in what is a high-profile potentially political case. what did you make of that for our viewers who may not have heard about it? >> that's not so unusual. there are turf battles going on all the time between various u.s. attorneys of...

York once said that a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich. >> right. >> so if, in fact, the u.s. attorney decides at some point to present charges, it is more than likely that the grand jury will return what they call a true bill and indict. >> right. a true bill and indict. let me go to paul who also has relevant federal experience which is why we want to talk to you. you've also kept an eye on this case. and this is a witness here who has both been very loyal to governor christie for a long time, who also, as i mentioned, knows this office, worked in this very u.s. attorney's office and w...

Attorney, bradley simon. paul butler, professor of law at georgetown university law center and former federal prosecutor with the u.s. department of justice specializing in public corruption. and criminal defense attorney brian weiss. welcome to all of you. bradley, let's start with your experience in these kind of offices. as a federal prosecutor. what does it mean when we see a witness go in and speak to a grand jury ins a case like this, an inquiry that thus far has not had confirmed evidence, confirmed reports of folks going in for this kind of testimony? >> well, the fact that a grand jur...