25th amendment to remove him from office. with us is joyce vance, betsy and sahil are back as well. joyce, talk through a little bit the pros and cons of what happens if and when andrew mccabe does end up testifying under oath to these lawmakers. particularly if he sues the justice department. . the situation is complex. he had a very storied career. had a great reputation, but near the end, he ran into trouble over allegations that he had misled his supervisor, then director jim comey and been untruthful about directing a subordinate to leak to the press. when he was dismissed it was over an allegation that he failed in something that was important to the fbi.
he joins nine others who have officially jumped into the race. they re all looking to be the democrat who challenges trump in 2020. joining me is nira tannin, now the president and ceo of center for american progress. also here with me betsy woodruff, and sahil kapour reporter for bloomberg news. kasie, you re on the campaign trail bundled up. you knew bernie sanders round one in 2016. here we are now round two. how does this announcement what does this announcement mean for the race? you re also on the trail with kamala harris. reporter: that s right, hallie. yes, it is freezing here in new hampshire as per usual. but it s also great to be back. kamala harris doing the storied politics and eggs breakfast.
communities and they can have more say in this country. freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez reacting to amazon s plans to scrap head nor new york city. joining me betsy woodruff and msnbc contributor. betsy, before i get to your reaction on aoc, i want to play what new york congresswoman carolyn maloney told me this morning. she represents the district where amazon planned to bring 25,000 jobs. listen to that. this was an opportunity to solidify the tax base of our city and certainly attract more jobs. now, you can be for a project and still work to improve it. i m still trying. i was calling all my friends that were part of the opposition. they weren t calling me back, but we need to see if there s any way we can resurrect it.
congresswoman is able to achieve with her green new deal and now with amazon. these are big significant movements that she is really at the head of. and so i think it s interesting to watch how she wields that power, the power over social media and over news media and how she continues to grab our attention and make a difference in policies. interesting. okay, ladies, let s get to the president s emergency declaration. betsy, according to the post, white house attorneys warned trump that the risk of an emergency declaration failing in court is high but he still went for it. i mean, is this nothing but a political move? if you just go by his own words he said yesterday announcing the emergency declaration, you certainly would be on safe ground assuming that political concerns are the central driving factor here. and that s something that s going ironically is going to make it harder for him and his
it s a wonderful opportunity. betsy, as you compare the two the statements we heard from the two congresswoman women, what does this tell us about the democratic party? these questions how government is supposed to relate to some of the most powerful corporations that have ever existed are very much not settled. it s not a settled debate within the party. one of the reason progressives is including ocasio-cortez pushed back so hard against amazon coming to new york was because new york was going to give it a $3 billion tax abatement. amazon, the richest, perhaps the richest company in the united states didn t have to pay $3 billion but another similarly situated company would have had to pay in taxes because lawmakers in new york decided that they thought that type of payout ultimately would have been profitable. those kind of deals that local and state governments across the country often make with these extraordinarily powerful