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The next hour trying to talk him off that ledge, talk him into it. i knew it was very desperate. i knew he had a gun. i knew that there was -- that he had the lethal means. >> had the means now. >> not only was he impulsively he was in despair i knew he could do something about it. >> how did you know he had the gun? >> he told me. >> he told us. >> he told us everything? >> i will come to that. he bought the gun online illegally. >> he did. >> but you knew you had a suicide allison with a gun. >> then he stopped texting and he was getting more and more agitated. nothing i was saying was makin...

You mentioned earlier that matthew had a gun. >> he didn't get it legally. that's for sure. the gun laws in california are strict. they worked. he couldn't get a gun legally. >> had he tried to do it legally? >> oh, yeah, for a long time. we are grateful the laws kept matthew from getting a gun for as long as it did. >> he kept trying. >> he wanted to for one purpose? >> only one purpose. because he knew it would end it for him and he was just so determined. >> when did he finally get this gun? >> a month before he took his life. >> do you know how he got it? >> he told me everything. he told ...

>> pathor warren is back with me now along with his wife kay. you mentioned earlier that matthew had a gun. >> he didn't get it legally. that's for sure. the gun laws in california are strict. they worked. he couldn't get a gun legally. >> had he tried to do it legally? >> oh, yeah, for a long time. we are grateful the laws kept matthew from getting a gun for as long as it did. >> he kept trying. >> he wanted to for one purpose? >> only one purpose. because he knew it would end it for him and he was just so determined. >> when did he finally get this gun? >> a month before he took his life. >>...

Disclosed to the state. then it never can be used. so the filter is, they have to give me everything. there's a bunch of information they've given me about george zimmerman that i presume they know is never getting into a courtroom and there's a bunch of stuff about trayvon martin that i presume is never getting into a courtroom. but if we don't put out that first round of information, we can never use the more filtered round of what is out there. if i wasn't to tell the state, this is stuff that we saw in twitter, i'll say it here tonight, my hope still is that this man gets tried in the six ...

I was there or not, my wife actually told me everything. >> what did she say was the reason she -- why did she say she got put in a box? >> well, it's hard to say because this is a lot of years ago. we are talking about early '80s. this is the beginning of everything. and i think this is the games he used to play around with the kids and his wife. to him he thought it was a joke, but to other people it seemed like he was abusing them because the things he did seemed like people were getting hurt from it. >> frank, thank you, sir. >> you're welcome. >> thank you, sir. all right. three girls who...