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>> pathor rick warren and his wife kay the first founder of the church. the first interview since the tragic suicide of their son matthew in april. >> thank you. >> my deepest sen searest condolences on this awful loss to you and your family. i remember that day. i remember seeing the news. >> i was overwhelmed by the love of our people. kay and i have given 33 years to this church and i feel like they all gave it pack in a moment. it was just a very tender moment for me as a pastor, i have walked through the valley of the shadow of death with thousands of people. i have walked, i have stood a...

>> it's "piers morgan live." >> pathor rick warren and his wife kay the first founder of the church. the first interview since the tragic suicide of their son matthew in april. >> thank you. >> my deepest sen searest condolences on this awful loss to you and your family. i remember that day. i remember seeing the news. you flew around the internet and the world, i felt a huge sense of sadness for you having interviewed you. i can only begin to imagine what it was like for you two. how have you been copeing? >> well, you know, else beth kublor ross did these things called the four stages of dea...

>> pathor warren is back with me now along with his wife kay. you mentioned earlier that matthew had a gun. >> he didn't get it legally. that's for sure. the gun laws in california are strict. they worked. he couldn't get a gun legally. >> had he tried to do it legally? >> oh, yeah, for a long time. we are grateful the laws kept matthew from getting a gun for as long as it did. >> he kept trying. >> he wanted to for one purpose? >> only one purpose. because he knew it would end it for him and he was just so determined. >> when did he finally get this gun? >> a month before he took his life. >>...