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Chief of anyway. i think people are thinking mulvaney is always on thin ice and when you work for donald trump, you're always on thin ice. it makes it a curious decision. >> why would they do that? >> i was talking to a former staffer who said going to the white house is a tough thing for meado meadows. >> who has left in a better position? >> sean spicer did "dancing with the stars." >> i don't think that's a better position. >> i think that measuriark mead would be a -- he understands donald trump, but remember, this is a guy who has -- >> everybody thinks they understand donald trump. >> un...

In power to the majority power. there's almost a triangle. these are the things they're discussing behind the scenes. dpl. >> tim, the freedom caucus. on a day today basis, the weight of angst that paul ryan must feel from people like the guy from no coat from ohio, mark d meado meadows, the entire freedom caucca cauc caucus. how is it they've tormented leadership for eight to ten years, this group? >> i think it boils down to strength in numbers. there are about three dozen, as of right now, 35 members of the freedom caucus. paul ryan can only afford to lose a certain number at any time. and ...