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Scavino, mark meadows, trying to get them to comply. they won't, right? this is the trump loyalist trio. they will not play ball. what is the committee trying to do? >> this is what katie touched on, earlier. she is exactly right. there is a difference between civil contempt, stephanie, trying to get someone comply. that is not with the committee is seeking here, and criminal contempt, punishing someone for failing to comply. they will not play ball here, so, the committee is hoping that the department of justice will punish these for men, for failing to comply. but, the committee will not get...

And, i don't believe, you will see additional, criminal contempt prosecutions. at least, not of the two that are now being recommended. and mr. meadows case, that it has already been referred. by the way, one additional point, stephanie. the justice department does not need referrals in order to prosecute someone. sometimes, i worry that it will have a counterproductive effect, meaning, is the department of justice, watching this play it down the middle, gets a referral from a committee. and then, from a mostly partisan vote in the full house, to prosecute someone, it may have the opposite eff...