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Criminal liability here extends equally to the president as a potential unindicted coconspirator. >> michael, you have the floor now. is that how you see it? >> no, not at all. actually, i don't see that. what i hear on this tape are two people having a conversation about purchasing assets from american media international, setting up a limited liability corporation to pay for those assets, having that deal not go through and that's the end of it. i don't see this as evidence of criminality. i don't hear the word cash, which i think the president said. i don't hear the word cash as meaning gre...

People having a conversation about purchasing assets from american media international, setting up a limited liability corporation to pay for those assets, having that deal not go through and that's the end of it. i don't see this as evidence of criminality. i don't hear the word cash, which i think the president said. i don't hear the word cash as meaning greenbacks. i hear it as meaning a liquid form of payment, a non-financed form of payment. and i just don't see how this really implicates criminal -- >> what do you mean non-finance, wiring? >> yeah, michael cohen says -- they're talking ab...