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That people's benefits don't go up and also you can have means testing for people who have more money, and you know, so there are a variety of ways. another thing which the president a had on the table during early negotiations supposedly isn't now. do you raise the eligibility age for medicare. >> eric: these are the issues and americans want action and answers. maybe we're a teeny bit getting there. >> that's right. we saw the light at the end of the tunnel on "fox news sunday". >> that's exactly it. >> eric: we can all see the light at the end of the tunnel by watching "fox news sunday". ch...

Over, it's only beginning. we have got until september to come up with something. it could happen and it really depends on the republicans willingness to embrace some revenue. >> the thing is, willie, if you go back to what the president said in 2005 and 2006 and 2007 and 2008, the president really did talk all the time about needing to reform medicare, medicaid, social security. it's what he ran on. >> exactly. >> i think if the president is practicing mat ti pragmatic, if the deal is big enough we will glad close loopholes because we believe the country's long-term debt crisis will destroy u...

We talked about it on "meet the press" sunday. does the president start to make a shift where he doesn't just signal that he is willing to do entitlement cuts, that he is willing to do means testing, that he is willing to do that gradual reduction of benefits but he starts affirmatively talking about the need to take on entitlement reform. dick durbin, a progressive senator from illinois who voted for the simpson/bowles said we have to do something about medicare and social security. we have to take that on. will the president campaign for that openly as he tries to lure me more republicans to...

To help reduce costs and we ask for prescription drug companies to paying the same kind of rebates they were paying in 2003 for theme on medicare and medicaid. ways to do this without hurting beneficiaries and benefits and where that discussion will take place. >> i don't think anybody is going to go for vouchers, quite frankly, but what about means testing? means those older and can afford it will help pay for their own medicare if they are in upper brackets? >> right. here is the thing. we already have means testing, you know? seniors do pay premiums based on their income. there's a variable...

Going to. >> bill: criticized by his own party that the age of people getting entitlements like medicare and social security might be raised. and the affluent level. >> really? that's fascinating. >> bill: those are specifics. >> that's in obama's plan. >> bill: what age exactly. >> let me give you the exact line where it says encourage beneficiaries to seek high value healthcare and ask the most fortunate to pay more. it's called means testing. that's how you start a negotiation. >> bill: this is where you and i will never agree. the word to me specific and you can look it up in the dictionar...