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With him. he's one of the best cyber experts in the federal government, and also we're a lot better off than we were several years ago, alex. that's the defensive side. on the offensive side, here's the thing. we're not invulnerable but at the same time that cuts both ways. if the russians decide to muck around in u.s. critical infrastructure, well, then the united states can go into russia and turn off the lights, turn off the internet, turn off the economy, and turn them upside down so that would deter them from taking that type of action. >> the u.s. can do that, but to your point, we saw t...

If we could influence russia to reign them in and get them under control, so much the better. but they're a trans national actor that is in it for the money. they're clear about that. and it's a huge vulnerability. if anything from solar winds to colonial pipeline to the meat processer and everything in between, you know, somebody could throw the election in there. we're supposed to believe our elections are not vulnerable. i think we have a serious issue here. i know we do. from my time when i performed the duties as undersecretary for policy, this was always something that we were talking ab...

Similar attack forced an extended shutdown of one of the largest gas pipelines. now there are fears the latest attack could send high food prices climbing even higher we begin with tom costello >> reporter: it is another attack on critical infrastructure this time the food supply the world's biggest meat producer, jbs, forced to curtail operations after a ransomware attack. at least six plants in the u.s. shut down operations also affected also in australia and canada jbs says its backup servers were not effective, sees no evidence that customer supplier or employee data was compromised, but t...