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You have to encourage people to be part of this president. but the president of brazil says i'm not going to take it and he has the backing of another president. let's bring in bill nye the science guy. it's good to have you on the show, sir. what do you make of this general sense of opposition from the president of brazil? do you think it will flag quickly? >> yeah, i think it will -- pun intended, blow over. the g-7 is offering $20 million, which is not nothing, and so letting the fires burn has become so unpopular that, he's going to reverse course. my understanding is, he's turning the oth...

Apparently -- >> bill -- go ahead, please. >> my understanding is he's turning the other cheek or he's looked away, rather, and let farmers clear rain forests at an astonishing rate so they can pursue agriculture both in meat ranching and soybeans and other conventional crops. the subsidies for u.s. farmers and brazilian farmers, this controversy goes back a long way. >> right. >> and the strange thing is that by subsidizing both farms in brazil and farms in the u.s., you end up hurting farmers in africa. it's just -- it's one world nowadays, everybody. >> right. but to the instant circumstanc...